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What an absolute organizational failure that 6 years post-process era other teams have had a more successful rebuild than us.
Pacers need to win the next game. Because there’s no way Silver lets the Knicks lose game 7 at home.
Sixers made the Knicks look like the 73-9 Warriors
I mean Hart just shot an unsustainable high 3pt%.
Law of averages said he eventually had to come back down. Too bad it couldn't have been last series.
Watching the Knicks run out of gas really emphasizes why:
1.) Thibodeau hasn't done shit in the playoffs- he runs his players into the ground, not unlike Nurse.
2.) Why you need fresh legs. One of the reasons why older players faulter in the playoffs is because you just don't recover as quickly as you do when you're younger. Sport science helps, but it won't help you recover after 40 minutes of playoff hoops with another game in 45 hours.
Thibs pulled the starters in the middle of the 3rd? 😆
Fuck the Knicks. Frauds
so embarassing sixers lost to this knicks team. even with the officials, nurse coached such a shitty series and money again fails at the deadline giving coaches players that will feed into their bad habits
Morey looks like even more of a fraud but yeah Nurse isn’t walking out of that series looking great.
With the production this team got from Embiid and Maxey there was just no reason to lose that series. Our role players were literally horrendous
And then when Hield goes off he doesn't play him the whole third quarter.... it was like he was sabotaging the team
this is an insanely bad take that somehow got upvoted.
Oh, really? Morey gets Doc Rivers Deandre Jordan to play instead of going small or Paul Reed. He gets George Hill to play over Maxey, and now he got Kyle Lowry who was only on the team for 10 games to start in the playoffs. It's so dumb. Morey is like that friend of a drug addict who keeps doing drugs in front of them then wonders why they fuck up. Nurse and him choked that series.
Don't worry it's in the negative now.
Thank you to the pacers for blowing out the Knicks so there can’t be any ref bullshit
Knicks took 20% more 3s than the Pacers. They also took 31 FTs vs 8.
adam silver calling in the big guns for game 5. no way he’s gonna let the knicks go out this early. he needs his precious baby boy brunson to foul bait his way to at least the ECF. too much tv revenue on the line
i knew all these mid shooters would eventually have bad games but it is funny that it happened to all of them at the exact same time.
the knicks when brunson can’t grift his way to a win and they’re not allowed to play football on defense
Pacers should be about to go up 3-1, not 2-2. They better keep kicking the Knicks while they're down and not let Game 5 stay close.
I’ve heard this story before
Is that Sixers legend Shake Milton?
Pacers development has done a fantastic job not just establishing a team identity, but also getting outstanding production out of a bunch of cheap acquisitions. Obi Toppin is improving very quickly but I doubt they let him walk at this point.
Not sure Toppin can play in a slower paced offense very well. A lot of his points are scored on a quick shot clock before bigger defenders can get well in place. He sneaks into the lane or out for a corner 3 early in the shotclock.
Knicks are 10% from 3 btw
this shit always happens
can never catch a single break. Like yea i want the knicks to lose but fuck... when they play like ass it makes us look even worse lol
Knicks shot above 40% from 3 first 3 games, and 50% game 3. with a big FT differential 2 games, yet series is tied 2-2.
I mean they are just running out of gas at this point. Knicks are always gonna be a tough first round matchup, but if you can extend the second round with the way thibs plays his guys, they are much easier to beat in round 2.
You hate to see it!
I knew the Knicks were gonna have a game like this eventually, but it still is fun to watch
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The Pacers pushed the lead to 30, and on 5 straight trips down the Knicks got foul shots. 5 in a row. It's ridiculous how badly the league has a legitimacy problem
Knicks may be cooked without OG.
Siakam showing Tobias what a maxed-out 4 does?
All Maxey and Embiid really need is 6 other guys that run around fast and play hard.
I think Ricky Council legitimately would’ve been the third most impactful player for us in the Knicks series if he got more minutes.
I wonder how Maxey, harris, and Embid would do with Toppin, Mathurin, Nesmith, McConnel and Nembhard as the rest of the rotation.
Play hard + athletic and can shoot league average on 3’s is the way to go.
Its hilarious when TJ makes a 3. Ok, give me 15ft of space because you don't respect my 3, I WILL take the shot.
Some basketball IQ wouldn’t hurt we have suffered from a lack of that
That what Dallas has at the moment, would love have guys like Pj Washington or Derrick Lively on our squad
Could’ve easily provided the same impact as Nesmith
Let’s all laugh at the Knicks.
They beat us
Who cares it’s funny seeing them get annihilated after Thibs murdered 2 more of his players
Sheesh
Knicks 3 point magic finally wearing off
From magic to tragic
I feel bad for Pistons fans at this point. Dropped from 1-5 in the lottery two years in a row.
Not a big enough market for the league to rig in their favor
Morey saying he doesn’t draft for immediate impact is so lazy. Meanwhile Sheppard, Lively, and Wallace are getting 2nd round minutes
lolknicks. Celtics are gonna humiliate them if they survive.
…as our POBO devalues role players
TJ doing his thing. Pacers rebounding very well and pushing the ball. Helps that Brunson isn’t shooting well.
Knicks forgot to take their caffeine pills before today's game.
This is fun to watch but I'm sure the Knicks will be up 90-87 midway through the 3rd
Pacers doing to the Knicks exactly what they did to us in the 1st of game 6. Honestly don’t know how we came back from that and actually took a 10 point lead, only to promptly blow it
pacers torching Knicks right now. Lets see how the refs can change that
They couldn’t.
Atlanta and Houston moving up bodes well for the draft night trade market. Raptors lost their pick too lol.
I hope the Rockets sell Tari.
Nets lost a 3rd overall pick for the Harden trade lol. Oof
Thoughts on this article
I’m at the point where I’m so damaged by this franchise that whatever things we do I feel like will be a failure by default so I genuinely have no opinions on what I think we should do anymore. Anyway I can see this being a really good move or a horrendously awful move
If Maxey, Butler, and Embiid are healthy for next years playoffs I’m almost entirely convinced we win a championship. The risk reward to me really depends on what it would take to get Butler from Miami. I don’t know if anything more than a single 1st plus seconds would be worth it.
I think our roster needs a high level wing, a long guard, and a stretch 4 to function. Bench players (like a backup center) are overrated as a need imo. The real issue was lack of offense without Joel on the floor which Butler should solve. If Morey can pick up Butler and fill those holes I think we go for it.
Would also love for the front office to do this for Joel. As he’s said before, we keep trading away all his friends. Joel’s body language is honestly still not great in the playoffs, although it’s been compounded with the injuries, and I think there would be a real, tangible benefit to his play having a personal friend of his on the team.
A Butler move is low on my wish list because it’s the one that costs you both significant cap space AND draft capital.
A PG move I can justify because we add him while retaining all our picks which gives us a lot of flexibility. Also I think his game ages better than Jimmy anyway.
A Lauri/Bridges trade I can justify because while we give up significant draft capital we also retain good cap space to make moves this summer.
A Butler trade you give up both and if the extension blows up in our face, it’s another Tobias situation where we’re stuck with a bad contract without the draft picks to move off it.
To your more general point… I get the pain but this is the time where it’s okay to be optimistic. We finally have significant assets to put a strong team around our two stars who may be the best duo in the league. Morey has built some very strong teams in the past and while the Embiid window isn’t much, the Maxey ascension extends it. Maybe we’re back to this spot in a year but I am super excited to finally see a real team around these guys.
Interesting read that I have a lot of counters to. this article praises Morey for finding cheap talent.. that’s out of necessity because he’s always paid stars. There are going to be examples of finding guys on vet min when you take a lot of swings at it. How many vet min contracts are truly a key piece to a title winning team? Getting butler or any 50M third star means 3 stars, 1 other guy, a room exception and vet mins (that means assuming Sixers guys stay healthy we are highly likely relying on at least 3 vet mins for the playoff rotation). This could be the Sixers best path.. impossible to say.. but it’s not sunshine and rainbows like this article reminiscing on 2019 jimmy butler.
Edit: potential roster if we trade for butler.. Maxey, Caruso, butler, Batum, embiid as the starting 5. Oubre, Lowry, council iv. Vet mins to fill out the roster and not many assets left after acquiring butler and Caruso.
To your point about failure by default, it’s because I do not think there is a move that’s going to be perfect or blow us away. No matter the move(s), it’s going to have a caveat.
If this organization is serious they’ll trade for Jimmy Butler
Dude is washed and genuinely a terrible fit
The reigning ECF MVP is washed? Literally talking out your ass
I agree he’s not washed but that was a year ago, next year is another year older, another knee injury just happened, etc. let’s not act like he put up prime lebron finals numbers in the ecf last year, he shot 41.9% from the floor and 34.7% (8 of 23 from 3 in 7 games). The ecf mvp had to go to someone on the winning team and it was between him and Caleb Martin
Youre right man Jimmy was trash the Heat would've made the finals without him
As Sixers fans we’ve been through a lot so I think Josh Harris should give all of us a salary. We went through 5 years of fucking Tobiass Harris and we don’t get nothing? Cmon man 😂
Hey yall. Lost an og yesterday. My grandfather grew up and was raised in west Philly. Contracted and survived poliovirus. Went to overbrook high (was a freshman when wilt was a senior) went to st joes as one of the only schools that allowed Jewish students at the time. Lifelong sixers, birds, Phils fan. Took my family to south jersey where he helped develop the radiology department at Kennedy hospital. Raised three sons to be lifelong sixers birds and phils fans who raised 9 grandkids to be the same. We gathered together in his house to watch countless games- so much happiness, so much disappointment. We were together when the birds won it all. Together when the sixers gave it their all and came up short. I know he and my dad celebrated like mad in ‘83 after years of losing in the playoffs to the Celtics. He’s the reason I’m a Philly fan and ill definitely miss watching the games with him and discussing the team and sharing the highs and lows together. I’ll be thinking of him when the sixers win it all again.
Sorry for your loss. Looks like he lived a very fulfilling life with an amazing legacy to leave behind. Wishing your family a very blessed future ahead!
Sorry for your loss. Sounds like he built an awesome family
We need to re-sign Oubre, Cam Payne, Nico and get us a cheap bench like Yuta Watanabe, Cam Reddish, Tyus Jones throw IT 500k to be an Udonis Haslem, and try to get someone whose ready to be the no. 3 option on a championship team. Does Memphis want to let Desmond Bane free? I'm sure if we kick the tires on John Collins it will be more of the same as we got with Tobias Harris. We need to turn guys making value contracts into the caliber of player that will make Tobi Money.
No, Memphis is not interested in getting rid of bane. Guys like him don’t become available. Memphis is young and he’s one of their top guys.
Batum is gettable but I think we’d probably have to pay the “give him enough money to not retire tax”. Oubre may be able to be gotten for the room exception but other teams may offer the full MLE.
The IT comment I hope was trolling.
Tyus jones isn’t going to be cheap.
Never get the anti grant faction of the fanbase. Not as first option this off season but he’s turned himself into a solid catch and shoot guy. Offers solid defense. Would be basically 4/135 contract so as the third highest paid guy won’t kill your cap and would leave money to fill out roster. Also contract would be easier to get off of later on if needed.
Honestly don’t mind Grant as an option if we decide we don’t wanna go after a big fish on a max deal. When people are always saying “we need younger guys still in their prime,” Grant is about as good as it gets. Players without major flaws just simply aren’t available. No matter what we choose, there is going to be risk involved.
Raw 3pt percentage is not a good indicator. What kind of volume? What kind of defensive coverage? Do they shoot, and at a good percentage, even if players are closing out hard on them?
As u/ktm5141 mentioned, if Horford shot 42.9% with us that 2020 team would've worked. Except Horford didn't shoot that percentage with us because he's NOT a quick trigger shooter. Boston can get him open shots because they can play 5 out with all 5 guys capable of driving/passing and creating their own shot. We can't because we don't have the same level of playmaking and spacing to give him consistent wide the fuck open looks.
Honestly, you should take the wing that takes the most volume of contested or close out 3s and makes them at the highest rate more than this. Just having someone who teams cannot leave in the corner will change our offense, considering defenses can't just throw 3-4 bodies up top to gum up the Embiid/Maxey two man game.
You can look up Horfords percentage on wide open catch and shoot 3s that season with us. He attempted 3 a game and shot 36%. This season, horford is shooting 3 wide open attempts per game and is hitting them at 46%. Sixers are just cursed
The numbers worked with Horford and just one of Ben or Jo that season
Yeah, but these things tend to compound. If he's not getting consistent wide open looks he's used to, he might feel more rushed in the open looks he does get, and end up bricking those too.
These guys are humans and not simulations putting up stats. The psychology of these players are important. That's why you target players who are already used to volume shooting against closeouts.
If Al horford shot 42.9% with us that 2019-2020 team could’ve worked
I'm down for Grant if it doesn't cost a 1st.
It will
gross
I don’t think the contract will be that easy to get off of. My negative about him is that it’s too risky. We are hoping he fits and is the third guy. He could be but who knows and if we try it I think we are stuck with him for the rest of embiid years. We want some form of continuity and not constant change for embiid. As I already noted, I also don’t think his contract would be as easy to get off of as you do. I don’t love a PG 4 year max but even your graphic says he’s a much better option than grant.
There are other negatives to grant as well besides the long term money.. he isn’t young so we either have to expect what he’s always been or a worse form of it, he’s a poor rebounder and that’s a huge weakness for us, but if we strike out on other stuff, I guess he’s an option that is attainable. I don’t think it’s a move on moreys radar currently.
I hope I’m wrong but i am under the thought that all the potential names we keep hearing won’t be moved or not to us. Bron, Pg, Butler stay. Lauri/bridges/Mitchell we get outbid for.
Maybe Morey will pull a rabbit out of his hat
I’m with you that bron and PG have to want to come here.. not likely since we won’t have anything to entice them to come here unless their teams don’t offer them the deal they want. Agreed teams can probably outbid us for bridges/markannen type guy. We have to look for teams in cap hell (the suns for example) because we can offer cap relief and other teams can’t because they have to match salaries.
Deals for guys like Grant will be there and it very well could be what Daryl has to settle for. Do you think it’s worth trading for Grant or if that’s the option we have, is it blow it up time? Grant makes about $30M this year so we would still have ~$35M to play with and probably 4 firsts (I assume a first, maybe a swap, maybe some seconds, and taking on grants money is enough). This path probably allows for grant and Ingram, in theory.
I’m still on team Brandon Ingram. He’s much better than he’s shown and I think a lot of it is the poor fit with Zion Williamson. The fit with Joel will be much more seamless
I don’t blow it up. Even if all the top options are gone. I think Maxey/Embiid with better versions of what surrounded them this year. That team should be enough to get out of the East imo. Don’t need a third guy making 50+
I think it’s Grant or someone in that 20-30 range, plus high end role players. Maybe have to trade for them for teams in cap hell or if a team picks someone in high lottery this year or have a young guy looking to get bigger role. Gives you flexibility and also ability to consolidate into a bigger trade later on if a true fit comes available.
My only real negative is he may be a worse rebounder than tobi
If Jojo wants to drop 20 lbs and fully morph into Dirk 2.0, which I’m fully for, wouldn’t that make Siakam the perfect fit for this team?
If JoJo retires from attacking the rim and effectively plays as an old school PF offensively, then the sixers will need their equivalent of Tyson chandler who can eat boards, play defense, and finish lobs off maxey drives. Honestly have no idea who could do that and be our Aaron Gordon. Rob Williams? 2019 Ben Simmons? Not sure if that works in the modern nba unless Embiid turns into jokic as a passer
Embiid needs to drop 40. He's waaaay too heavy. He is closer to 300 Lbs than 275 so if he dedicates himself he could easily get down to 260 Lbs. Siakam plays with the ball too much and is a reluctant 3PT shooter so I don't think he's a good fit although he is a far better rebounder and defender than Tobia Harris is, but that's a low bar.
lol you just made up random numbers
The next logical step in their insanity is going to be some shit like: "Embiid needs to drop like 100 pounds and be a true point guard"
Hahaha.. “embiid should shrink 4 inches, drop 60 pounds, and be our wing since that’s a more difficult spot to fill on a roster. Now we can sign Jonas Valanciunas to a team friendly deal to be our starting center.”