Has any one own or used a 1827 Fronter.
I would like to know its accuracy , handling, reliability etc etc etc.
Thank you
I would like to know its accuracy , handling, reliability etc etc etc.
Thank you
It's pretty slick for what it does, but unless your either competiting in the winter or summer junior event, it's more of a novelity. I preferr the MSR 54:18 for the repeater. My MSR was more accurate in warm weather shooting. I don't shoot off-hand in sub 40 degree weather.
It's very light in the factory configuration for off-hand shooting in my opinion, but an understandable design necessity for the sport.
s.
It's very light in the factory configuration for off-hand shooting in my opinion, but an understandable design necessity for the sport.
s.
I don't have one, but the Fortner action does have some popularity in silhouette shooting. Several folks, the most notable is Pat Steiger who has three, like them because of ease of cycling the bolt while the rifle remains mounted in the shoulder between shots. In gusty wind conditions it often pays well to get many shots off during the lulls. Also the action is available in a left-handed version and there aren't a lot of left-handed choices in this sport. All the Fortner actioned silhouette rifles have been restocked to meet the rules.
Accuracy is superb and owners absolutely love them. They generate a lot of rifle envy at matches.
Steve
Accuracy is superb and owners absolutely love them. They generate a lot of rifle envy at matches.
Steve
The factory 1827 is not terribly accurate, at least all the one's I have worked with. The barrels have a larger ID to the bore and are made from a different blend of steel for cold weather shooting.
I also watched Patat Southern Nationals, and sitting him during the second day, I watched him lower the rifle between shots. Pharr and I were commenting about that. So, the idea is there, but rarely executed as such. It could have been because it was so hot. I had to wipe my comb off after every shot, so that may have just made it impractical for Pat to keep it shouldered.
If you want the straight pull design with a lot thicker action different barrel, then get the F-27A. It's a single shot though.
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I also watched Patat Southern Nationals, and sitting him during the second day, I watched him lower the rifle between shots. Pharr and I were commenting about that. So, the idea is there, but rarely executed as such. It could have been because it was so hot. I had to wipe my comb off after every shot, so that may have just made it impractical for Pat to keep it shouldered.
If you want the straight pull design with a lot thicker action different barrel, then get the F-27A. It's a single shot though.
I've got a left handed 1827 Fortner, NIB, unfired that I would sell , if anyone is interested
Kirk J Larson
Kirk J Larson
1827 Fortner
Hi Yes i have one and its set up for M/S in a custom stock. I shot it yesterday at a 50mtr indoor range with a 6pwr scope. I was shooting 5 shot groups with various brands of ammo, il post some photos tonight when i get home from work. It is very slick and fast to shoot, if thats what you want ? Cheers Ron
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Hi Yes i have one and its set up for M/S in a custom stock. I shot it yesterday at a 50mtr indoor range with a 6pwr scope. I was shooting 5 shot groups with various brands of ammo, il post some photos tonight when i get home from work. It is very slick and fast to shoot, if thats what you want ? Cheers Ron
1827 Fortner
Hi Lowey , thanks mate. I was doing some testing for one of your fellow shooters in SA, who is about to buy it from me. He wanted me to shoot some groups, before he committed himself. That 2013 barrell you sold me is shooting really well also. Say hi to Debbie for me and il be in touch as i need some stuff for my bruno thats comming soon. Cheers Ron
Hi Lowey , thanks mate. I was doing some testing for one of your fellow shooters in SA, who is about to buy it from me. He wanted me to shoot some groups, before he committed himself. That 2013 barrell you sold me is shooting really well also. Say hi to Debbie for me and il be in touch as i need some stuff for my bruno thats comming soon. Cheers Ron
Fortner
I have an 1827 Fortner and really like it! Mine is as acurate as my 1710D and 1712 at 50m, though I have not tried to compare iron sight groups to the scope groups of the 17XX's at 100m.
As Steve said, it is lighter that a "normal" offhand rifle, but not so light as to be an issue.
It is a fun rifle to shoot! I watched Augustin Sanchez run the bolt on a 54.18 MSR at the 2000 CA State championships as fast as some shooters run a Fortner!
Tom
I have an 1827 Fortner and really like it! Mine is as acurate as my 1710D and 1712 at 50m, though I have not tried to compare iron sight groups to the scope groups of the 17XX's at 100m.
As Steve said, it is lighter that a "normal" offhand rifle, but not so light as to be an issue.
It is a fun rifle to shoot! I watched Augustin Sanchez run the bolt on a 54.18 MSR at the 2000 CA State championships as fast as some shooters run a Fortner!
Tom
Fortner
I built mine when I was unable to find a LH Anschutz repeater. It is not as accurate as my daughters 1710, about on par with my 1712. It fits much better.......as it is left left handed. It has a tapered Douglas barrel in a Pharr stock. I like it better than the Biathalon Basic I had Mac convert to left bolt. Mine is tighter than it used to be as it had a cracked piece in the bolt that wouldn't allow it to lock up fully resulting in light strikes. Everything inside the action is new. It still is a slick bolt. Steve is right. I do lower the gun on every shot, unless it is very windy, or I'm racing someone for that last target. hehehehehehehe I do the same with my 10/22. Would I reccomend someone else to do it? Nope. Especially if you're right handed. It is twice as expensive. I would tell you to go with a 54.18MSR and if you want a hunter gun build it out of that. With all that said, it is hands down my favorite gun, Kimber, Cooper, CZ, IZH, 64, 54, Remington 40X Winchester 52...........all included. If I could just shoot it worth a hoot.
So what's up with the F27???????? Come on Steve, I've been patient.:AR15firin
I built mine when I was unable to find a LH Anschutz repeater. It is not as accurate as my daughters 1710, about on par with my 1712. It fits much better.......as it is left left handed. It has a tapered Douglas barrel in a Pharr stock. I like it better than the Biathalon Basic I had Mac convert to left bolt. Mine is tighter than it used to be as it had a cracked piece in the bolt that wouldn't allow it to lock up fully resulting in light strikes. Everything inside the action is new. It still is a slick bolt. Steve is right. I do lower the gun on every shot, unless it is very windy, or I'm racing someone for that last target. hehehehehehehe I do the same with my 10/22. Would I reccomend someone else to do it? Nope. Especially if you're right handed. It is twice as expensive. I would tell you to go with a 54.18MSR and if you want a hunter gun build it out of that. With all that said, it is hands down my favorite gun, Kimber, Cooper, CZ, IZH, 64, 54, Remington 40X Winchester 52...........all included. If I could just shoot it worth a hoot.
So what's up with the F27???????? Come on Steve, I've been patient.:AR15firin
Pat,
I can't pull the barrel and make into a silhouette rifle, it shoots too well in the BR 50 stock. So for the near future, it is my Unlimited BR rifle. I may pick up another one, but I'm thinkin I may just wait until I get one of Eric Uptagrafft's new actions for a build. I'm not sure.
So, you're gonna have to carry the Fortner piece for a while until I decide if I'm ever gonna use anything but my 1913 for competition. I know you were workin hard that second day, I was about dead in that heat; it was killing me.
Mark wants my 1913, but I'm not gonna sell it. Now, I may have the ability to request that they make the F27 a repeater, but not make it a light weight design like your 1827. It would be the larger, heavier action which may hold a custom barrel better, but it's more of a guess. Eh, too many choices and I still have to learn to shoot the darn rifle anyhow.
.s
I can't pull the barrel and make into a silhouette rifle, it shoots too well in the BR 50 stock. So for the near future, it is my Unlimited BR rifle. I may pick up another one, but I'm thinkin I may just wait until I get one of Eric Uptagrafft's new actions for a build. I'm not sure.
So, you're gonna have to carry the Fortner piece for a while until I decide if I'm ever gonna use anything but my 1913 for competition. I know you were workin hard that second day, I was about dead in that heat; it was killing me.
Mark wants my 1913, but I'm not gonna sell it. Now, I may have the ability to request that they make the F27 a repeater, but not make it a light weight design like your 1827. It would be the larger, heavier action which may hold a custom barrel better, but it's more of a guess. Eh, too many choices and I still have to learn to shoot the darn rifle anyhow.
.s
fortner
Joe at Neal Johnson's threaded my Fortner action. It seems to hold the barrel well enough, but it's only 22" long. Probably weighs the same as my original. I think making the F27 a repeater will be a big deal. Also those internal parts are hideously expensive. If they make a lefty repeater, I'm in. Converting the single shot 54 actions isn't too bad. I have a LH 54.18 MsR.... Started life as a 1907. I was going to go with a ULA, but Mark talked me out of that deal. Did he sell his? Motl has his Hunter (1712) gun. What is he shooting these days?
also as a note on the Fortner, it has no scope base in front of the action, so you have to soften the metal, then drill and tap it and put a base on there. I like the rail on the F27. I don't have a 1913, but I do have a 2013L. It's in a wood stock. Lovely gun. I wanted a 1913, but Neil Stepp suckered me into it......Don't sell the 1913. Mark can buy his own.....LOL
Looks like our State match will be Mar 25-27 if you're interested. If not, I look foward to seeing you at Winni. I'll be the one with 27 (lol) children. They ALL want to go this year.
Joe at Neal Johnson's threaded my Fortner action. It seems to hold the barrel well enough, but it's only 22" long. Probably weighs the same as my original. I think making the F27 a repeater will be a big deal. Also those internal parts are hideously expensive. If they make a lefty repeater, I'm in. Converting the single shot 54 actions isn't too bad. I have a LH 54.18 MsR.... Started life as a 1907. I was going to go with a ULA, but Mark talked me out of that deal. Did he sell his? Motl has his Hunter (1712) gun. What is he shooting these days?
also as a note on the Fortner, it has no scope base in front of the action, so you have to soften the metal, then drill and tap it and put a base on there. I like the rail on the F27. I don't have a 1913, but I do have a 2013L. It's in a wood stock. Lovely gun. I wanted a 1913, but Neil Stepp suckered me into it......Don't sell the 1913. Mark can buy his own.....LOL
Looks like our State match will be Mar 25-27 if you're interested. If not, I look foward to seeing you at Winni. I'll be the one with 27 (lol) children. They ALL want to go this year.
I will keep the state match in mind, but depending on job stuff, I will for sure be in winny again - that was a great event.
Mark shot my 1913 SM at the match, and we shared his hunter for the match, so I think he is looking for a standard rifle like mine.
As for the rail, the F27 is drilled and tapped at 5 locations to really hold the rail well. If I end up with another, i will just maching a rail with a 20 MOA slope to it in the CNC mill, and then use either a set of Marv rings again or something else.
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The 1827 did bother me about the scope setup, but like you said, it's workable.
I'm not sure if they make a left handed F27 A, I will ask Uwe. I think they do if memory serves right.
One thing I like about the 1913 / 2013 bolts are the simplicity in tuning the ignition system, and making adjustments. Fine tuning the rifle in those areas really dialed it in, and as you know changing barrels is not a big deal. Messing with the Fortner bolt is whole 'nuther ball of wax.
I can't get myself into the repeater aspect of the sport, my MSR 54:18 is just sitting as a barreled action right now, with no stock. I like the shot sequence of a single shot - i think it's just a mental thing for me. That said, the straight-pull action is alot of fun.
Mark shot my 1913 SM at the match, and we shared his hunter for the match, so I think he is looking for a standard rifle like mine.
As for the rail, the F27 is drilled and tapped at 5 locations to really hold the rail well. If I end up with another, i will just maching a rail with a 20 MOA slope to it in the CNC mill, and then use either a set of Marv rings again or something else.
The 1827 did bother me about the scope setup, but like you said, it's workable.
I'm not sure if they make a left handed F27 A, I will ask Uwe. I think they do if memory serves right.
One thing I like about the 1913 / 2013 bolts are the simplicity in tuning the ignition system, and making adjustments. Fine tuning the rifle in those areas really dialed it in, and as you know changing barrels is not a big deal. Messing with the Fortner bolt is whole 'nuther ball of wax.
I can't get myself into the repeater aspect of the sport, my MSR 54:18 is just sitting as a barreled action right now, with no stock. I like the shot sequence of a single shot - i think it's just a mental thing for me. That said, the straight-pull action is alot of fun.
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